"LJ909" (lj909)
03/16/2020 at 16:37 • Filed to: Tesla Model Y | 0 | 46 |
I thought it was going to be cheaper than this. I won't be jumping on the EV bandwagon anytime soon.
fintail
> LJ909
03/16/2020 at 16:44 | 5 |
I like the “gas savings”, more Tesla creative accounting like valuing time spent pumping gas at $100/hr and figuring that into the cost of the car.
So innovative, yet so sketchy.
Gerry197
> LJ909
03/16/2020 at 16:44 | 1 |
It’s the new release, they don’t build the cheaper trims until later, just like they did with the Model 3.
The Model 3 started off at around $50K for launch trims, then dropped to lower trims about a year later.
T he cheapest Model 3 is around $39,xxx, the Model Y is expected to be priced similar at the base.
Ash78, voting early and often
> LJ909
03/16/2020 at 16:48 | 10 |
That’s pretty cocky. Are traditional
carmakers including things like “Does not include savings from NOT
being a part of a
spotty repair network of guys in Ford Transits driving several hours to your house
for basic repairs?”
Arrivederci
> LJ909
03/16/2020 at 16:48 | 0 |
That actually doesn’t seem too bad.
Ash78, voting early and often
> fintail
03/16/2020 at 16:49 | 10 |
*includes opportunity cost of continuing education and discounted cash flow of future earnings assuming all gas pumping time is instead utilized for passing the CPA and continuing to lead a Fortune 500 corporation within 11.5 years of completion, for a tenure of 8.1 years until an activist shareholder forces your ouster .
mazda616
> LJ909
03/16/2020 at 16:54 | 3 |
Only way I’d buy a Tesla is if I was a multimillionaire. Too many issues and such for a normal car owner like me in rural Western Kentucky.
fintail
> Ash78, voting early and often
03/16/2020 at 16:56 | 2 |
That’s legit copied and pasted from Tesla sales material, right?
Shift24
> LJ909
03/16/2020 at 16:56 | 1 |
Man that's still ugly. Just a smaller whale than the X
Tekamul
> LJ909
03/16/2020 at 16:58 | 2 |
There's the 'Stang-E for a bit less. Long range AWD for 52k after tax incentive, rather than the $59k+ for the Y (minus Tesla's fishy math).
LJ909
> fintail
03/16/2020 at 16:58 | 4 |
Right. It intentionally creates a false price. And you can’t really change it. So you won’t see the real price until you hit the paperwork.
LJ909
> Gerry197
03/16/2020 at 17:00 | 2 |
Doubtful. I’ve also been interested in the Model 3 as well. You can’t find any at that “cheaper” price. It’s special order only. And even then, Tesla tried to be slick and factors in “gas savings”. So that cheap Model 3 is really over 40 grand.
LJ909
> Ash78, voting early and often
03/16/2020 at 17:02 | 2 |
It’s cocky and slick. Like I was pointing out to someone else. All it does to me is put light on the fact that these cars are more expensive than they really are. Like the Model 3 is really over 40 grand to start.
LJ909
> Arrivederci
03/16/2020 at 17:03 | 1 |
If you have the means sure. But if I could spend this money on a vehicle, it wouldn't be an ev.
gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
> LJ909
03/16/2020 at 17:04 | 1 |
And they’re better than dealers?
LJ909
> Tekamul
03/16/2020 at 17:05 | 0 |
True. But that’s still too much. And like I said to someone else, if I’m spending 50k+ on a car, it’s not going to be an EV.
user314
> LJ909
03/16/2020 at 17:05 | 2 |
$ 35,000 -$ 39,000 Teslas are like Bigfoot: true believers will swear up and down it exists, but no one’s ever actually seen one.
The Ghost of Oppo
> LJ909
03/16/2020 at 17:07 | 1 |
It’s $1000 up charge for black?
wafflesnfalafel
> LJ909
03/16/2020 at 17:15 | 0 |
interesting - looks about 8k more than a dual motor 3 sedan?
LJ909
> user314
03/16/2020 at 17:15 | 1 |
And you won’t ever. And it’s annoying for those of us that actually look for them like me. It’s literally impossible to find a Model 3 under 40 grand. Even used models don’t dip under 40. And the nature of Tesla being “premium” has insured that no one is buying these cheap models as, for whatever weird reason, Tesla only made the cheap base model special order only.
user314
> gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
03/16/2020 at 17:19 | 2 |
Of course! St. Elon is saving the planet!
LJ909
> The Ghost of Oppo
03/16/2020 at 17:20 | 0 |
Black, silver and blue are a grand. The red color is 2k. The only standard color is that basic ass white.
Gerry197
> LJ909
03/16/2020 at 17:21 | 0 |
Actually that’s not including the gas saving thing.
The Model 3 Standard Range Plus is $39,990 MSRP as purchase price, the potential savings price is $33,690.
Tekamul
> LJ909
03/16/2020 at 17:22 | 1 |
Unfortunately that’s the way it’s going to be for a long time. Batteries are pricey.
The 'fuel' and maintenance are lower over the lifetime of the vehicle, but it's tough to quantify how much lower.
camarov6rs
> LJ909
03/16/2020 at 17:23 | 1 |
edmunds posted a video about the “base” model 3 they got. Seemed like a lot of waiting and hoops but they did end up getting one.
The Ghost of Oppo
> LJ909
03/16/2020 at 17:24 | 2 |
Damn. I wonder why they’ll charge to paint the Cybertruck
Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
> Tekamul
03/16/2020 at 17:25 | 0 |
isnt tesla close to or already passed the tax rebate limit due to number of cars produced? cause if thats the case the mach e will definitely be cheaper
Gerry197
> user314
03/16/2020 at 17:26 | 0 |
There is no $35,000 Teslas, the lowest MSRP (without gas saving shenanigans ) is $39,990.
You can order this car straight up on the site and take delivery that way if you want.
LJ909
> wafflesnfalafel
03/16/2020 at 17:27 | 0 |
Pretty much. I wouldn't be surprised if Model 3 buyers traded in theirs for this.
Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast
> LJ909
03/16/2020 at 17:32 | 0 |
F iat 500e. They are around $8k now, haha
Also the Caddy ELR was like $70k new and they are in the $20ks now
LJ909
> Gerry197
03/16/2020 at 17:34 | 1 |
Right. But my point is those numbers are mostly bullshit. It’s potential savings taking into account gas savings which are arbitrary numbers that are too broad and fluctuate to often to get a solid number. It’s just to make the car appear cheaper than it really is. And it isn’t.
LJ909
> Tekamul
03/16/2020 at 17:37 | 0 |
Right. And that alone isn’t enough to win me over.
LJ909
> camarov6rs
03/16/2020 at 17:38 | 0 |
I’ll have to check it out. But that just tells me no one is buying them.
Tekamul
> Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
03/16/2020 at 17:41 | 0 |
Yes, on both accounts. 52k after incentive for the Stang-E with long range/AWD. Tesla is out of tax rebates, so their Y LR/AWD is 59k w/o the 'performance' option.
Saracen
> LJ909
03/16/2020 at 17:43 | 1 |
That is..way more than I thought it would be.
LJ909
> Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast
03/16/2020 at 17:45 | 3 |
I would love an ELR. They’ve gotten cheap.
This one is just over 19k at a dealership near me that specializes in used EVs. I just don’t know how well it would hold up over time. It’s a 6 year old car by now. And my experience with GM is that this is about the time shit should start going wrong.
JMordu becoming “savethemilanos”
> LJ909
03/16/2020 at 17:51 | 1 |
My 2014 elr is doing great. CUE sucks so hard but I’ve done literally zero maintenance in 18 months with it, and spent only $100 on gas for it in that time.
2 major drawbacks for me personally though.
1: I’m
a coupe person, but it’s tiny and impractical even for me. Rear seats are all but useless and trunk opening is very short.
2: I don’t like driving it on gas so I treat it like a super short range EV, and sometimes decide to stay home because I have limited charge. Really want to make the leap to full EV soon!
Gerry197
> LJ909
03/16/2020 at 17:53 | 1 |
I get you on that, I remember they advertised the $35,000 MSRP, though that was with that gas savings thing on there.
Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast
> LJ909
03/16/2020 at 17:56 | 1 |
Yeah, makes sense, but I’d think with these the gas engine portion has way less mileage and from what I can tell, the interiors seem to hold up pretty well with the 60k-80k miles I see on some of them for that price.
I just bought a car so I’ ll wait a bit before buying another, but for a commuter, these would be awesome. Definitely, gonna keep an eye on these though.
Volts are a decent option as well, but less special and a little too blah
TheTurbochargedSquirrel
> LJ909
03/16/2020 at 18:00 | 1 |
Wasn’t Tesla at one point including those discounts in the advertised price on the website with the actual price being listed in the fine print?
LJ909
> Saracen
03/16/2020 at 18:04 | 0 |
About 10-12 grand more than I thought it would be.
LJ909
> JMordu becoming “savethemilanos”
03/16/2020 at 18:05 | 0 |
That’s pretty damn good. But it sounds like it’s better as a 2nd car than a primary.
LJ909
> TheTurbochargedSquirrel
03/16/2020 at 18:07 | 1 |
I think so. And then after backlash I think they changed it. It’s still too vague though.
camarov6rs
> LJ909
03/16/2020 at 18:11 | 0 |
Probably! Given how much content it actually had for the price I think it represents a relative value. If you aren’t dead set on the cool/fanciness of Tesla a used Bolt seems like a great idea and they have had recent fire sale pricing on new Bolts as well
JMordu becoming “savethemilanos”
> LJ909
03/16/2020 at 18:16 | 1 |
Really other than the lack of interior practicality, it’s a great single car for someone who can charge it everyday. As long as you commute less than 40 miles you’ll get to drive an EV everyday, and have a gas car for long trips. I’m just paranoid about keeping my lifetime mpg over 250.
Only want to give it up soonish because I’ve got family in town (who also have an 40amp charger at home), so I’d rather have a real EV and borrow a gas car for extended road trips, just waiting on everything that’s promised for 2021/2022 model year (love the new fiat 500, if it come to the US)
LJ909
> camarov6rs
03/16/2020 at 18:59 | 0 |
The Bolt is the prime example of why I can’t get into most EVs right now. I don’t get why no one can design one that’s a normal practical vehicle. The Bolt being a compact hatch puts it in the nerve category for me.
Gerry197
> LJ909
03/17/2020 at 04:08 | 0 |
Just found a video from Edmunds how they actually got a Tesla Model 3 for $35,000, without those shady gas savings things. Turns out its an “off-menu” thing and about as base as you can get a Tesla. It’s not actively advertised by Tesla.